Dunso 2011-01-01 17:33:23

Lol in your last post you worried about everyone leaving, well the seniors just left cause the 09'-ers fucked up the genre by turning it into a booring collab factory. Fact!

Rockyusa 2011-01-01 18:42:05

The 09ers and the 10ers haven't really done collabs as much as older ones. Yes, 09ers have done a few collabs, but older animators have been doing collaborations a bit more. Truthfully, collabs may be overdone these days, leading to the loss of many solo animations. There are still full tributes being released, but the quality of it is lowering. You may have a point, but you're not completely right.

I feel that most people are leaving because they have gotten bored, wanted to stop or would like to try something else. Some of them go unsaid, and some of them surprise us with comebacks. It's not just one issue that caused people to leave.

Thingthingdude200 2011-01-01 19:51:14

love the screenie!

IconicStemage 2011-01-01 21:11:44

not like nevermind put out anything decent.......

Dunso 2011-01-01 22:04:17

IconicSteamage I put out a fucking movie that made front page, that decent enough? Don't lay this shit on me, LLL for example will agree if you ask him! The thing is that to make movies you need to be motivated, and seeing what you yourself is a part of starting to decay doesn't really put mouch motivation in your mind. Many people from the start thought that Madness was unoriginal, some other people like me objected and thought of originality within the genre such as Dawn of the Madness, Redness and such, so I tried to be original myself and contribute. Now that I see the entire thing being a collab factory of identical movies I just thought to myself "fuck it". Because a lost cause is a lost cause and if everyone really wants this to morph into one single unit cranking out movie after movie consisting only of guys entering gray rooms and failed commedic attempts then fucking do it but I won't join in. Collabs leave no room for any story, character development or any other real creativity that can come out of a solo project. There, now you can say all you want about those elements not fitting Madness but that has to change, and now you're working in the opposite direction, fast and efficiently!

Peterpeterpet 2011-01-01 22:28:41

Happy new year DIMB, i hope to see a lot of animations from you :)

Crazymonkey154 2011-01-01 22:53:57

Nevermind, you do have a number of good points, and so do you, DIMB. Sure, it's unoriginal. But it's WHAT you do with madness that makes a difference. Collabs can get old, sure. However, don't let that kill the genre for you. I'm not taking sides, though, I just happen to agree with both of you in different ways. Hope you both enjoy 2011.

Dunso 2011-01-01 23:19:40

Well as I said, and as you have admitted, you do unoriginal stuff. But for the genre as a whole to break out and be original it doesn't just take one guy, but everyone. One man can make no difference by himself, I don't care who says what about that saying. But bro, this I must completely disagree with you on, you do need a whole lot more than 20-30 seconds to build character and interesting story wich is the foundation upon wich you build originality in this genre. The reason for that is because if everything makes no sense, then the original thing to do would be to make sense, you know what I'm saying? If you do something else in such short time it's just randomness, and while it is fun it is certainly NOT original, randomness is overused as hell! You need more than 2 minutes too for that matter. But above all, you need a constant gallery of characters that doesn't change every 30 seconds! Unoriginal Madness can be great, I agree, but in small portions now and then, not with every release, that's what I'm saying in a god dammed nutshell!

Dunso 2011-01-01 23:27:04

Oh, and you also said "madness isn't unoriginal, the unoriginal is the people like me that doesnt do anything new of it". Understand this, you are, ALL of you, Madness. The community makes the genre as an artist makes his music, or a sculptour makes a statue. The way the art is will always be the direct product of what you made it to be. Hence, the collabs drag down the originality of the genre as a whole, wich is what I have been saying all this time.

LittleLuckyLink 2011-01-02 04:52:01

oh hello i was mentioned here

Yeah pretty much most has already been said here. The tributes don't appeal to me because it seems like I see the same things over and over again. If I try to think about the tributes that came from 2010, I can only think of Rebooting the Madness and Krinkels' movies. I can't remember anything else. Seems like all of the kills, characters, and weapons have been used to the point where everything is a huge blur to me. I guess some might say that the lasting value of a movie should always be a must. Some seem to try to say otherwise, that it doesn't apply to Madness.

Which is wrong entirely. The simplicity of the earlier episodes, the stylishness of MC4, then the suspense and darkness that comes in the movies after it have all left fine memories in my mind. Whether it was the settings of the movies, such as the train in MC6, the unique kills, such as Jesus in MC8, the dancefloor shootout in MC4, or the whole stealth thing that Hank was doing in MC5, those are all memorable things that last and make me want to go back and watch it. Most tributes today, I just watch once and that's the end of it.

Hell, sometimes, I find a collab that I think I haven't watched, so I watch it. When I watch it, there's usually one or two parts that strike me as being memorable. Then I remember that I have watched the collab before. But I can't remember any of the rest of it because it all seems like just the same over and over again, until this one specific part that shows any hint of imagination or stylishness comes along. Then I remember it.

It really doesn't take imagination to come up with some new weapons or locations. They can be as easy as your bedroom or something. In fact, one tribute I remember specifically is something where a guy was in his own bedroom. I thought that was neat. It was a nice change of scenery from these same old warehouse rooms.

But now it all just seems like it's based around a flat side-angle of some industrial warehouse with weapons we've seen over and over again.

But I also left Madness because I want to tell stories in more of my own style. I can't take a Madness tribute to apply to an art/animation college.

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Delamortes 2011-01-02 06:08:24

wow dude you must show me that one!!! But I can´t now my sister deleted steam >:C

Thingthingdude200 2011-01-02 11:08:36

i think that the idea of madness is the creative ways you rip open people. its violence in an artistic way. and you have it dimb. and you have lots of imagination. most people cant create good sprites without creativity or originality. or the idea of a glowing green guy. so i would have to say that in madness animations you are one of the most creative people.

Dunso 2011-01-02 13:07:43

Thingthingdude200 no disrespect but I laughed as I read you comment. A green glowing guy is not very hard to think up, and if I am going to see somebody as one of the most creative people out there they need to have done more inventions than adding a hat to a 1337-crew dude. And while violence is great it will always be more or less the same, by no means should it be removed, it is the core of Madness. However the other aspects need to be redefined, the exterior so to speak. More elaborate designs would be a breath of fresh air, aren't you atleast a bit sick of seeing those fucking 1337-crew characters in every Madness movie nowdays?

Thingthingdude200 2011-01-02 13:43:11

I never get tired of madness. And i dont give a fuck about what you think.

LittleLuckyLink 2011-01-02 14:36:34

also Rocky, the rate of collabs has heavily increased. There really weren't too many collabs around. There might have been about 10 existing ones before 2007, they weren't really too much of a hit because everyone made their own movies. I'd know, I've been around oka

After the larger, more exclusive collabs started getting attention (Agitation, Neurosis, etc), the smaller, more community-friendly collabs were introduced, who overall let more people in.

Then I guess they caught on.

I don't hate the genre because of the new stuff, I just simply don't pay attention to it. I've really given up with it. If I see a Madness flash on the front page, it's always a collab. It's never a full length solo project, it's always a mashup of 10 second clips of people running into rooms shooting.

And Dimb, I really don't understand what you mean- I mean, it doesn't really take much imagination to make a breakthrough movie, you, and everyone else totally have the potential, but it seems that a lot of you just give up or can't be bothered.

LittleLuckyLink 2011-01-02 14:38:08

To add to my previous comment, it doesn't take imagination to make a breakthrough movie, it takes EFFORT.

okay that's it, sorry for spamming your page, happy new years

Thingthingdude200 2011-01-02 15:09:14

ya sorry for spamming. and i NEVER use krinkles sprites anymore.

juanford66 2011-01-03 07:13:45

Feliz año nuevo DIMB!!! y animo con las animaciones!!!

Happy New Year DIMB!!! and encouragement with animations!!!

Clatform 2011-01-03 08:00:01

another one?! damnit..

brandon31998 2011-01-03 15:58:49

Another earthquake? Not a very good way to start off the year, huh?